We are witnessing revolution, and that’s what this episode is about: witnessing, in the form of journalism, and revolution, in the form of climate justice that is interconnected with social justice. 

Guest Eric Holthaus is a meteorologist, a climate journalist, and the author of The Future Earth: A Radical Vision for What's Possible in the Age of Warming. Rolling Stone called him the rebel nerd of meteorology. He lives in Minnesota and, as he says, has really gotten into birding in his 40s. 

Against a backdrop of interconnected struggles, we are seeing great humanity and great inhumanity. For every leader who lacks courage, millions of regular people are showing conviction and bravery. For every tyrant who cracks down with oppression and violence, with the great weight of extractive systems and aggressive power behind them, there are millions more who are leaving their screens and their homes to stand up for what they believe in.  

In this conversation, we get into life after capitalism, radical stewardship, and the links between genocide, fossil fuels, power and money. There is a balance between grim realities and possibility, between grief and imagination. This is a conversation about revolution, the state of climate journalism, community, and many possible futures.

Fossil fuel narratives seep into our culture, media, politics, and minds, and it can be hard to extricate them from our lives. Fortunately, we can create our own hopeful narratives of possible climate futures that run like fast-moving rivers from person to person.

Grace Nosek is a climate justice scholar, community organizer, and storyteller. Grace has spent years studying and deconstructing the narratives and tactics of the fossil fuel industry - as well as creating her own hopeful climate narratives.

We can find the veins and rivulets of care that already exist in the growing climate movement, and together rewrite the future.

We live as part of a wondrous planet, an intricate web of interconnections and relationships. Systems thinking helps us to see interconnections and complexities, and learn from systems like a body, ecosystem, or planet. Multisolving helps us solve complex problems by taking actions that result in many interconnected benefits. This conversation looks at both systems thinking and multisolving - starting with a decades-long experience of cultivating an intentional community. Guest Dr. Elizabeth Sawin brings decades of experience as a systems thinker who leans into complexity to help small seeds grow into big changes.