We are witnessing revolution, and that’s what this episode is about: witnessing, in the form of journalism, and revolution, in the form of climate justice that is interconnected with social justice. 

Guest Eric Holthaus is a meteorologist, a climate journalist, and the author of The Future Earth: A Radical Vision for What's Possible in the Age of Warming. Rolling Stone called him the rebel nerd of meteorology. He lives in Minnesota and, as he says, has really gotten into birding in his 40s. 

Against a backdrop of interconnected struggles, we are seeing great humanity and great inhumanity. For every leader who lacks courage, millions of regular people are showing conviction and bravery. For every tyrant who cracks down with oppression and violence, with the great weight of extractive systems and aggressive power behind them, there are millions more who are leaving their screens and their homes to stand up for what they believe in.  

In this conversation, we get into life after capitalism, radical stewardship, and the links between genocide, fossil fuels, power and money. There is a balance between grim realities and possibility, between grief and imagination. This is a conversation about revolution, the state of climate journalism, community, and many possible futures.

Democracy is under threat—an erosion that is deeply connected to the breakdown of a shared truth, of civility, of conversation. The ruptures feel permanent and impossible to repair. When we deeply disagree with people over the high stakes issues we face, courageous conversations can be a powerful way to find common ground.

Guest Jane Porter is the co-founder and President of Bridge Building Group, where she leads a growing network committed to healing divides and driving meaningful change. For over 15 years, she’s helped leaders across sectors tackle complex issues like Indigenous climate leadership, plastic reduction, and responsible resource extraction. Her recent TEDx Talk explores bridge building for democracy.

This conversation is about listening in a divided world—and being able to speak out about what matters most to us, even when it is uncomfortable or comes at a cost.